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Good morning and welcome to another edition of living veterans San Diego public service presentation Vienna town San Diego radio stations and Carrie Lee. This month is alcohol awareness month the McAllister is to do it is one of San Diego county's largest alcohol and other drug treatment providers. Offer high quality low cost substance abuse treatment drug intervention and other related services to men women teens and children. Throughout San Diego County. With the services they are feeling the lives of many individuals and families joining us this morning is McAllister institute CEO and founder Jean McAllister. Welcome Jean hi Gary is good to see you again same here's been I've spent a couple of years since our last show. Let's start a little background information on McAllister institute for anybody who doesn't know anything about it right well fort. Forty years ago in May eighth. We had two or three program Saint Louis funded by the county and currently we have 25. In San Diego county and two in Napa Valley. We have outpatient programs and inpatient programs we have. Programs for adolescents. Probably our alert largest program and the one closest to my heart is the program for. The residential program for women and children the children who live with their mothers while they're in treatment. We have a detox program we have a detox program for adolescence which is very unique in the state California. I think we're the only ones that do it we have outpatient programs for adolescent outpatient programs rebels. He hand we have bingo game for there support. And it's true stellar for support cells and ran a lot of different things and I want to talk more in more depth about as subtle as programs and in a little bit. You yourself are sixty years sober you celebrated sixty years in November. That's America all it's gone by really really fast. It's one of the things when I first decided that I had a problem when alcohol and wanted some help. Was what do I do with my life now that I can't party or have any fond. Well. Ladies and gentlemen has been six years in one big party and was really nice is I remember a lot of and I didn't read for yourself. I think it is very very important that I mentioned that based on the fact that a lot of people don't know that recovery actually works and it does work. I'm not the only one around with sixty years is other people. With a lot more years and I have and so it does work. It does I can attest to that June will be 31 years for myself and I felt the same way I think he's you know what. They did it. And I enjoy it without booze. You cannon and and like you said to you can remember things now perhaps half. I didn't not wake up nor does anyone else wake up in the morning say oh well I'm gonna go out and get so drunk I can't see straight. Or are they get loaded on drugs and I forget to do what I'm supposed to do. Nobody chooses addiction addiction chooses. It's all right. Once you've learned that there's another way to live however like you and I we've learned there's another way to live then. It's it's a matter of choice for a lesson that would be our founder of we went back but in the beginning I'm sure you did not choose to be an alcoholic now. Now Elin was this was this the motivation your your experience with this motivation and to start McAllister institute. Yes I. I struggled a long time. It was very hard when I got clean because it was a very many other people at my age level I was 24. Which makes me four and a half right now. But some there wasn't too many young people that we're staying clean and not drinking so it was a struggle. As a result of that I went into therapy. And as a result of that therapy I discovered that I really want to work with people. And it was during the years of the human potential movement and some people may remember written some people may want to forget it. But it was the touchy Feely sensitivity groups things and and I got involved in math and was doing groups in my home. And decided to add them I wanted to do it full time and quit my regular job and support myself so I wanted to. A very Yvonne guard psychiatrist and said would you umbrella. My group so that I can charge money for many city couldn't because he would you know jeopardize his license. And he said but I'd sure like to hire you. And I said poem I don't know of San Diego's ready for a woman to be you know. Doing business and he said some well come see me when you change your mind and sure enough I got the cars and since anxious to light turned down a job and that's field. So I wrote him a letter and says dear doctor Ruskin he's still around and he still holds a letter. I must've been out in my mind to refuse that job and so I went to work for him. And I've worked with him for five years and he trained to me and one of the things that he did was have some contracts with the county. And he got tired and said I don't want to do it anymore I don't do it anymore my colleagues and I were. You know having these robust programs with a lot of people are doing a lot of good things and what do we do he doesn't wanna do it anymore. So I was the only one that had any money so little money and reform. Corporation and we all decided that we were than him continue what we were doing. I set on the floor with all of them with no furniture waiting for the furniture derived. And says who wants to be the box and nobody wanted to be didn't so there was the boss. And it's been a wonderful wonderful thing I always say. That is surely run by a power greater than myself because we have been very very fortunate we've grown. I think we had one program at that time in 1977. That next year we had three programs. And we've grown. Since and today and the really. I think 27 different programs that's great but so was it was it therapy that you went through that that's what it is yet that's where I discovered that I. Had a talent to work with people. And that I really wanted to work on your going through therapy yourself while I was going to therapy myself yes and everyone's so while I do little touch up you know. Because them. This a tough world to live and now there's a lot of tragedy and and a lot of things that those who might need to touch upon what is the down the mission. At tan cal street institute well our mission is primarily our doors are open to everyone. And we wanna treat them with dignity and respect and we wanna hear all families. In the community one family at a time and there's a lot of really nice agencies out there in in the community and I appreciate them and they do really. Great work but the one thing that I particularly like about our agency. Is that we except everyone. And we try very hard not to have weight to lose especially in our outpatient programs sometimes. In our residential programs we just don't have the physical bids that we do have to develop a wait list but there are outpatient programs we opened up to everyone. If you are not appropriate for our program we will make sure that you find the right program and I think that's very. Unique and wonderful about the people who work with me. And you see people whether they can pay or not you don't. Absolutely. Based on yet based on ability to pay in if you cannot refuse to pay we will still CU. And I have some wonderful people live work with me. And believe as I believe hand they're very welcoming. And wanna help. And so that's that's their purpose we all don't make a lot of money. I'm making decent salary and I am you know I'm after forty years I think it's okay. But people aren't in it for the money most of the few foreigners because they really want to carry the message forward and one hand and pay it forward and help other people live. They're sharply you know it's a struggle. Yeah another McAllister institute believes that each individual has a positive purpose in life this is part of your philosophy right. Absolutely they do and I believed it one of the things that. That people who are struggling with their disease doesn't recognize is that if they take all the same talents that they have and maintaining their disease you know our. Or in the rituals that that and turn it around to to the other side and put all those in two. Doing good. For themselves as well as in for other people that they will prosper and I've known many people who have really good jobs have positions. Status and in a Dunlap. One life that I was reading some up. Some statistics and staggering statistics about to alcohol deaths here in San Diego County in the funny fifteen San Diego medical examiner annual report. Alcohol is the second highest cause of death after methamphetamine. In San Diego County under. Unintentional deaths by medication drugs and or alcohol and drugs or alcohol account for 510. Unintentional deaths in the county last year what we do to change this. Well I take a couple of things one. I was talking with you a little bit earlier. That people don't recognize. Recovery and recognize us in recovery. And it's kind of like breast cancer is a very wonderful. Artist but just as many people die from alcoholism. And drug use. As people do was breast cancer just as many families are affected but for some reason we're just on the bottom of the harmful. You know there's a stigma attached there's a stigma attached to that and as well that's why you always mention is some fault you know. I did not choose to be different then. I wanted to go out where you this social drinker and have Ager ink have dinner. Go see a play that's what I want a bit when I started drinking night good it's not beyond. And so I so that's some I flew on an end but people seem to rise in issuer that you have a choice and I think that people need to recognize it I think that people need to. Confront loved ones I get so many phone calls from people who say we're going to rise to confront it. You know if you have somebody in your life it's drinking too much talked to them about it yes Willie get mad at you absolutely but don't get over. But confront them and I think you drink too much in May be need to go talk to somebody. It. Affected me in so many ways there is there isn't a time where. And my uncle was in the entertainment business and his wife had told him I am told me at one point as we would love to turn the business over to you Gary. But we won't do you drinking. I'm good for them some seed. And they confront and they would it I had a great opportunity there but. Couldn't have that opportunity because of what the lifestyle has time by the. They planted his seed in YouTube Gary writes I know they did yes as a I I always tell people give me somebody for two or three weeks let me show them that there's another way to live and I have ruined. They're drinking or there using drugs forever you'll never ever be the same because once you plant the seed. You know people start to think and then its wheels programs I think it's important to confront. And let people know that you think they drink too much what what do you make of via the uptick. We're seeing in OP deaths. I think it's because it's so easy to again it you know so accessible. And so much more socially accepted them all right. And I'm known. They think their miracle drugs and people don't recognize even doctors don't recognize how addicting some drugs far. Now on I just have to laugh because. And even some people on my staff said China does not addicting and I say no yes it is because. Anyway and I said and went to my bed and he gave me tram and offer my dog in recent keep this away from your client speak uses very addicting this is before they decided it was right. But then alienate a long story short so nobody recognized that tram and always addicting until just about two or three years ago and now it's on the addicting list. But a lot of times doctors or researchers don't recognize that a drug is. Very addicting and don't put that information out and soon doctors prescribe it thinking that it's gonna help people. And people become addicted to it. And then they go to this doctor and that doctor and and then sometimes I've seen people in recovery. Go to hood like a dentist to have their teas replaced or something get addicted to opium rates and then go back out. You staff antenna McAllister institute here are our date. Are recovering. Alcoholics or or drug addicts as well a lot of them aren't. A lot of the Marin recovery and a lot of them or not we're very diverse these days we. Not just work with that. The alcohol and drug issues that we also work with the mental health issues as well also we have. Licensed mental health workers we have. Mental health interns. We have psychologists. On on board. Along with the addiction specialist all of the recovering people go to school. Give. Certificate in addiction studies. So they're registered or there's certified. And educated about what they're doing I know that been able to talk to somebody who's been their before. Makes big difference in the recovery process and it does but also I've always says dead people who aren't in that. Are in recovery art can be just as effective if they can learn to love us and I. That's true it's not very lovable when we first thought hey yeah but we clean up really really well outlets. Let's talk about some of your programs. You have. Again you say you have got 25. If from programs here in San Diego canyon you have several as well up and then Napa county too often that the valley OK can't tell us about here adult residential treatment programs. Well we have three. Here and numb San Diego. One is for women and children the children live with her mother's father and treatment that children are well cared for. The mother's not only learn about their diseases alcoholism and relapse prevent and give relapse prevention classes. But they also give nutrition and budget being how to find a job. I hope narrator of treatment thing so that they can go out fully armed and have some tools to work with. They also work within the program like they were in the kitchen or they were we have a bingo game that helped support this so they work in the bingo. We have a thrift store and they work and it's restore. And then so when they leave they have this letter preferences says. So and so has the skills and him you know they have. Then working while they were in treatment similar. Don't have a lapse. But I think the biggest thing L parenting classes you name it you know is treating the whole person. And making assessments on their mental health needs and making sure that they're getting those taking care of this well. And we do that with the manly our men and women that are getting out of prison reduce sort of the same thing you have to. This is just on about one thing it's about treating the whole person and providing them with tools. And with some self esteem so that they leave. So the message you treat that are coming out of prison and they those with alcohol and drug problems is absolutely. De Leo they'd they have to have. For our programs they have I have alcohol and drug problems and and can also have mental health problems with alcohol and drug. It's essential as far as they have to do next yeah that's that's her that's her specialty right. So just like I was just wondering because you mentioned coming out of prison so wasn't sure if Alice's aside thing. As far as your treatments to now they have and they had society there in prison because I don't think very many people are aware that the armory about 85% of the people in prison is a result of drugs or alcohol. That's an 85% that's a lot that is so they come out and they don't have anything to or anywhere to go so we. Transition them into society. And try to give them some tools yeah and then we and the other program that we have. Is it an adult detox and that's men and women and co head. And people command narron and spend anywhere from ten to fourteen days. And one thing that I really like about my staff is that we always make sure that they have someplace else to go when they leave we just don't. Didn't clean and then turn around the street you know. They have to have someplace to go before we let him go and how long as the residential program. Is very sound depending on the referral source but it can be anywhere from ninety days to six months. Four in the women's program we like them there for at least six months four months to six months. And is it is an all referral. It's yes referrals from different agencies in the city along with south referrals I say okay out. And I always give out my phone numbered caring and I'm gonna do it here. Myself on numbers 619. 9876393. And I encourage people to use that and they have. I've gotten a call as early as 5 o'clock Sunday morning and as a result. Somebody's life was saved so I always give that number around hoping that somebody will call. Let's bring that you always available and and a and is so group boarding I just them. Amid a store one day and is slowly becomes endless that I think I know who you aren't are who you. I know you and I we went to that hosting and she says oh yes she said I wish your program 26 years ago are. And I've raised my children I own my own home and I'm working here in historic. I work hard and I want to thank you for your program and it fielded. Is the top of the world via. And now you're. You have team residential treatment programs to an. Programs although there's a lot because the kids are aren't there yet okay they they still think they've got it made right. They're not necessarily addicts but they certainly have been in trouble as a result of their drug use them against marijuana and alcohol mostly. So we have them for thirty days that's all we have them for we wish we had him for longer permit. Thirty days and we try to create an atmosphere where they can choose him to make some better decisions about themselves and I was asked to do these programs in 1999. And I had my tongue in cheek because I you know. If we do anything with a teenager. But believe it or not we've had quite a few successes. Kids do come true. Get some of the message again we provide them with education and we take them on outings we show them. That they can have fun without alcohol or drugs. And I think that's probably a big thing for them we spend time with them. We eat with them parents will often ask me. What can I do with my teenager well what we do with them spent time with them. Listen to them don't judge them. Provide them with information it's accurate you know don't pick up information that's inaccurate things kids now they're really really Smart. One kid was asked by his probation officer what he liked about the pro the recent 83 times today you know personal. Sit down he was your children and make sure and don't be afraid. Kids are gonna ball. Now ask him to do there chore all right they're gonna kick and scream. But make them do the chores and they'll respect you for. And you mentioned how when people leave your program you don't just open the door and say bye bye Imation and have a place to stay and you also offer. Support services after the lead them to. Absolutely. After care is very very important that they they can come back to the program. They can go to say Oberlin being shaken go to other residential programs and the city. And it's very very important that they stay in touch we also refer them to self help groups. And I understand. That the McAllister institute offers one of the most affordable intervention services in San Diego County well now we do I have clinical supervisor and her staff and a IE. We'll do interventions was people and as some the intervention process is pretty. Similar across the board that we do it and we'll costs less cost than anybody else. But it's recessions in the first session as when we sit down with the family and friends or employer and kind of work out Alda. Anger in and out disappointment and and have them write letters to their loved one and then they bring this person and and then they read those letters without any judge manner without any blame. And usually that person will go into treatment and then of course afterwards we read again with them so it's really different sessions and interventions are very powerful. My clinical director and I usually do them together we some help from other mental health workers and organizations it. It's is so powerful. Of an experience. That. We actually become like part of the family in England we cry with the family and I know we're not supposed to what we do. Because some. It's. The way that we do them as a very loving. Firm experienced. In these hard not to probably cry you know yes it's a series touching yeah and we. Been very successful. Sometimes a person will see not accepted at the time. But they each just seen the confrontation. Has to be their you have to let them know that there are. They have some problems because. They were taken at the time but I've had them three or four. Months later Collins I am ready I'm ready for. So it's very very important that. People don't slip it under the table in noninterest senator denies and anyways they look you have a problem drinking. You know I know simply shouldn't go for. Now you have a a big event coming up in my goodness we do emptied and I think it's very very important the walk for sobriety is gonna happen in June 17 at liberty station you can go on our web site which is McAllister ink dot org. And find out about it or registered. It's 35 dollars if you don't have the money just common law was thus. It it's to support the people that are recovery in if you see a woman walking whether child and and it says I have 369. Days clean. And the child has a spying on them that says I have 369. Days of having my mom back. You know. That's so very important and we need to support from people. Who are in recovery. Who would support us just because we're doing what was supposed to be doing. And I saw something on on the event page about those signs when you can download assigned. And show everybody what it is that you're celebrating absolutely. Yes yes and I I just wanna. You know my granddaughter and I've been around so long that my granddaughter came to work for me. Just for six months and it's five years later she still win this because she feels so in love with what we do. And she did YouTube. And on that she asked people with long term sobriety what was important to them. And I thought it would be things like having a car having money in the bank Canada's job aha there of those things it was about being a mom again being a dad again. And a sister in handling in a brother in. Family you are slow very important to us come out and support your loved 110 M what time does the walk start. At 8 AM and is there registration day of as well if it yes I'm absolutely. Yes just come out and walk with us you know. We need to we need to support. And and the money raised goes into your programs absolutely. Yes because we never get enough money. All right and so that's Saturday June 17. And we're gonna have as we will we get closer to that the date will put some information. On the community events page at this stage of website so much and that will have a link so they can now sign up and and register as well yeah thank you and against a Saturday June 17 and was going to be again. At liberty station. Beautiful liberty station oh my gosh it is so pretty down there is to and so let's say she asks a lot of a lot of us. Walk walks laid out in them there as you absolutely yeah that in June should and you can run to. By the way a boon invites him on runners does not specifically. Run just walk right absolutely yeah we have a really. It's very very inspirational. And and like I said when you see here. A family's in child says it's 369. Days of having them powerful now very powerful. Again Jeanne what is your website again this McAllister institute that north. And my phone number again is 619987639. Tree and are you on social media. I believe we are Hastings cook I think we are okay yeah I'm not a big Facebook and that we have I have somebody in my office it takes care of that irony now all right. Now again walk and I don't Twitter either so okay so. Again the walk for sobriety how many years you've been doing this now the walk. All of the walk this is our fifth walk the fifth here via fifth year right so that again Saturday June 17. More formations that you website as well for that absolutely. Please join us. I Gina pleasure seeing you again thanks Roy did at the McAllister institute and good luck with a walk. And maybe you'll see them go than Gary thank you so much for having a song is so good to talk to yeah I appreciate you lot think. 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